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Open To Experience---Threads of Philosophy and Beliefs

This is a place to state beliefs, big and small. If you are a thinker, a believer, a searcher for meaning of any kind, state what you believe here.

I believe this...

I am still confused by Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato, and who is whom, but I think it was Socrates who introduced introspection. "Know thyself", he said. This, more than any philosophical realization, is in my opinion the most important. I believe God, Tao, Brahma, Nirvana, and the potentiality for each is within us all. I believe we are running down the same path and living on the same energy. In short, there is something that connects us all as human beings, and as plants and animals. That something takes many many forms and even more lives to fully understand.
But knowing what is inside yourself is truly the most important. I believe that knowing what you need in life, and knowing your place in it, leads to many fruitful discoveries and rewards.

War is the best game, and the worst life.

Geist's picture

I believe...

I believe in the fight for life, and the survival of the fittest. What I don't believe in is the bullying of the surviving by the thriving, but that's another thing. What I also believe in is the military superiority through better tactics, not simply numbers and tech- look at Iraq. Terrorists, numbering probably only a half or maybe a third of the Allied and UN forces there, working with IED's and AK-47's and using guerilla tactics are WINNING. Get that.
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I'm wondering if you are

I'm wondering if you are saying that you agree to the war and all wars in general. Also, guerrilla tactics work for the "terrorists" because WE are invading THEM. America can't use guerilla tactics unless we are being assaulted.

I've often thought of survival of the fittest, and it seems to fit in with what Charles Darwin said. With each generation, only the strong survive. It's HOW you survive that is the beauty of life, and it is surely worth fighting for.

War is the best game, and the worst life.

squeejay's picture

You just wait...

You just wait and see whats coming. I am a devout Christian. I look around and see all the corruption in the world, and the only conclusion that I come up with is that we are going to be in for some FIREWORKS come the end of the world.
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Geist's picture

Squeejay...

One of my favorite beliefs is, a world often ends not in a bang, but in a whimper. So true for many a nation.
And to another who thought I support all wars, I don't, but I understand that, in this day and age, I can't decide whether we go to war or not, and neither can the adults who are above me. Only the high-and-mighty, militarily protected, and often corrupt can decide whether an entire nation goes to war, and once we do, there's only acceptance left for those under them. Of course, we could always revolt, overthrow the government, put another one into place, and start anew. But with our relaxed and uninformed masses? No way would an organized thing such as that be able to be formed. Not many care about independence and free will anymore, simply material possession.
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squeejay's picture

Very nice indeed. I have

Very nice indeed. I have already made up my mind that if our country were to enter a full scale war, i would enlist. I do believe that a country is justified in defending another country against persecution and oppression, but i dont like the idea of occupation. I don't like that we have not yet solved many problems in Iraq, and other nations. Who knows, maybe someday we can all live in a peaceful world. I think everybody should take up fishing instead of fighting.
...green grass
...blue lake
...clear sky
...heaven!!

"if it's wierd, then i done it right."

Apocalypse

I agree with you, in a terrified sort of way. I think it is only a matter of time before America falls from the apex we once were at. We can already sense traces of that plummet in our economy...and our wars.

When you say there are going to be fireworks at the end of the world, are you meaning catastrophic devastation, or fireworks in the term of a celebration? I'm also wondering if being a devout Christian allows you to see true corruption of the world and its people or just the corruption corresponding to your faith. Just as good acts take many forms, acts of selfishness and greed do as well. Sometimes even a good person isn't a good person.

War is the best game, and the worst life.

Aryka Petelle's picture

War is not a game.

War is not a game for you to play. War is foreign policy combined with mass murder. War is the equivalent of stabbing yourself but with less satisfaction. War is a power trip taken by those in comand that send countless others to do their dirty work.
Peace has never come from droping bombs. Peace has never come whith the death of another. Peace only comes to those who are enlightened with understanding of one another.
Whatever force is driving your opinion, I sugggest you take a good look at your fueling. Operation Iraqi Liberation spells OIL.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein

Wow

I can't tell you how much I agree. Great points!
Peace,
Mango

apples's picture

war

war is really a way for people to participate in needless violence... only a couple of wars were truly needed...
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pineapple_babbit's picture

I can only think of two...

There's the one with US vs. England and the one against hitler..... *I'm not good in history....*
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apples's picture

umm...

Those are kinda the wars I was talkin about...
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Usagi's picture

WWI

WWI was called "the war to end all wars." They called it WWI when they had number two. And we've sure had wars after that--ones even worse--and we know now not to say they'll ever be the last.

SnowStars's picture

wow.I couls not agree

wow.
I could not agree more.
Go Aryka!!!
:)SnowStars

squeejay's picture

I Mean...

Forgive me for sounding snooty. All I meant by saying I was a devout Christian is that I believe that the end of the world is going to come, and all bad boyz are in for a real treat. I myself have QUITE A LOT to get off my chest before that time comes. And by fireworks, that can be taken in two ways. The good guyz will have a lot to celebrate, but I was kinda referring to God blasting the skin off of evil duds. (I am tempted to name a few political figures at this point, but that would not be proper on this site.)
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squeejay's picture

Maybe we could talk about

Maybe we could talk about peace instead of wars. I think peace is a way more powerful tool than killing people. For example, we were at hot terms with China about 40 years ago. Very hot, worse than with Russia. Mr. Nixon, however, opened the door with them, and crushed the wall that divided us. Now, we are on very good terms with China. Clinton helped a lot with China, too, I think. It is funny though, that two of the most dissappointing presidents (at least referring to certain scandals) achieved some of the greatest stuff with other countries.
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Geist's picture

Fair enough. Peace is, I

Fair enough. Peace is, I must agree, a beautiful time in anyone's life. The man who lives at peace is, as my father says, the man that lives the longest. Someday, hopefully, the entire concept of nationalities can be liquified in favor of a view of our species as a whole and, perhaps, as Earth's inhabitants as a whole along with the other beings we coexist and evolve along with; that someday humans should stand together as a united people, not as squabbling factions, would be an amazing thing. I never really understood why nations really had to be formed, but if people had different views, well, I guess it's their right to stand alone.
"Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"

(Quote from Geist)

(Quote from Geist) "Someday, hopefully, the entire concept of nationalities can be liquified in favor of a view of our species as a whole"

I also agree, again. It's funny though, I did a lot of studying on Neuroscience, and it seems the more we learn and grow the more mysterious everything becomes. We mystify ourselves. Connecting this to our conversation, a neuroscientist remarked that "if man could learn why he is unique, he may not destroy himself." If only we could learn why we are unique, that we are all human.

squeejay's picture

What could happen...

It is a hard thing to visualize the posibility of world peace. It is almost impossible to acheive such a thing in this day and age, because there are too many differences between people. Some philosophical guy I don't know said that man has always feared what they cannot understand. Maybe if we could get past this fear, maybe we could get along. For peace to happen, I think the world would have to be united in a common cause or belief. We saw this with the world trade center attacks. Lots of countries turned their hearts to us and each other. The trouble with this all is finding the right cause...
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Geist's picture

I tend to differ. The 9/11

I tend to differ. The 9/11 attacks did unite certain countries- just not the entire world. Many nations were jumping for joy when they heard that America had finally been dealt a blow on her shores. North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, some even say Russia, all were happy to some extent because of it. But a threat hasn't come along large enough to involve the entire world. Thus, War of the Worlds was written...
"Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?"

SnowStars's picture

Hmm. I would tend to say

Hmm. I would tend to say that SOME people in those countries were happy, some governments- but not any entire country was in agreement, nor can they be grouped together to make a generalization.
As we can not classify all in America as having the same opinions, nor can we classify everyone in any other country.

NonSequitur's picture

I agree with you and

I agree with you and SnowStars...until the whole world is forced to unite, it'll still be the same petty "us v. them" mentality, and nothing will get done.

NonSequitur's picture

I agree with you and

I agree with you and SnowStars...until the whole world is forced to unite, it'll still be the same petty "us v. them" mentality, and nothing will get done.

squeejay's picture

Yes...

War of the Worlds was a GREAT book, and a cool movie. However, I agree with what you said, The 9-11 attacks united some for us, and some against us. But, it still DID unite those countries a bit, even if it was against us. I tend to take a romantic's view on things. Big aliens come and invade earth. Earth unites against them. Aliens go home. Earth is a happy place finally. Unfortunately I have to be realistic, too. Maybe if we were able to concentrate on a common ground that is not the battlefield. Like, maybe each country could help the 3rd world with hunger and malaria and stuff. What would the impact be if we went over to Iran and helped reconstruct a Muslim temple for them? It's an interesting concept.
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NonSequitur's picture

That is an AWESOME idea. I

That is an AWESOME idea.
I think people should realize that Muslims, for the majority, are peaceful and rational. I tend to get reeallly riled about this, because I'm a Wiccan and there are so many misconceptions about that, too.

writingdog's picture

Peace is a wonderful thing

Peace is a wonderful thing to think about. Of, course, I'm being unrealistic here. I just wish every country was NOT in a war and they got good along with each other. It's just bloodshed, families being split, and the destruction of Mother Nature. That is not fair to anybody, not to the people you are killing, not to there families, and definitley not to the soil you are standing on. Just think of it this way: You were born on this Earth for one mission: to stop all wars, all bloodshed, and start peace all throughout the World. Why do people have to start wars? It is not fair to anyone and I hate it and I'm sure lots of others hate it too.

This is why we write,

This is why we write, correct? To show the people of the world truth and beauty? To bring people together?

Aryka Petelle's picture

We Write...

We write to tell a story
We write to show a picture of what we believe
We write to affect
We write to recrute

We write because the voices inside our heads tell us to
We write because it's in our blood
We write because we can't find anything to do with our words that stick inside our heads.
We write, not only because we can, but because we have to.

squeejay's picture

yes...

and because we want to.

Thankyou for sharing.
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writingdog's picture

yup you're absolutely right!

yup you're absolutely right! if we had a lot of people who wrote, maybe we could take away war!

squeejay's picture

This brings us back to the

This brings us back to the big question. How do we establish a universal state of peace when the world is dominated by people who fear differences. Lets face it, the differences between each human being are permanent. They will never go away, and they shouldn't go away, for this is our defining characteristic as human beings, is unique character and personality. If you take away this, man is not special, and nor is he human anymore. Accepting differences, meaning saying "dude, thats fine with me.", is the key. When it comes to races, religion, and stuff, we should accept that. When it comes to lifestyle, we live with it, and not criticize.
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writingdog's picture

I agree with you. people

I agree with you. people should be unique because that is what makes you YOU. How will it be solved with those people who fear differences?

squeejay's picture

The Answer

By teaching them to love.
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I completely agree, we can

I completely agree, we can only give people love. To constanly give and love all as though they were a part of you, in which some respects they are.

squeejay's picture

Things we can do...

One thing I like to do is to give service. I like going with a friend of mine and mowing the lawn of an elderly lady who goes to our church. She really appreciates it, and it's really fun. She's nice, my friend is cool, and the work is fun. I also like stacking wood. I just think it's fun. I dunno why, but It's fun to me like basketball is fun to some people.
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squeejay's picture

The USA

Does any one here think that the united states is too much of an international bully. I read an article that said that the USA is losing its status as the world's only super power. I gues I just don't think we are doing the right thing by being the world's only super power. We are more like international bullies than international peace keepers. We haven't been doing a good job getting involved with anybody else's country. I think we ought to mind our own business. We would be saving billions of dollars every month alone by pulling out of Iraq.
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you do have to wonder....

You do have to wonder why our government still feels we must be over there, Iraq that is. I'm still not clear why we went in. I've heard different stories such as; they had WMD or we went for the oil, and I've even heard someone say it was because Osama BinLadin [or however you spell it] tried to kill George W. Bush senior. I guess we will never know. I am still wondering. Why can't we just withdraw? It's so clear that the people of Iraq don't want us there.
I'm pretty much just a little, clueless ant when it comes to politics or discussing our government, but I have very strong beliefs in peace. If everybody in this world could learn to forgive and forget, if everybody could learn to put the past behind us and live now then EVERYONE would be better off. I hope our new 2008 president, who ever that is, can do more for this country and a lot more for peace.
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squeejay's picture

or we could just send you

or we could just send you over there to give a hug to everybody!!!!!

hehehe

luv squeej
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well....

I think it would take more than one person. BABBIT! You can come with me. It can be part of your campaign! :)
Peace,
Mango

squeejay's picture

yeah

hehehe
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Frosh-Soccer's picture

Well i have to agree

You know i have to agree with you because what good does war do? Hmmmmmmm? Well the only times I can see a tiny bit of good is American Revolution or the French Revolution because whole countries became free and were allowed to as you say put the past behind them. Back then war had rules such as if there was a huge army versus a very small one the small one automatically loses, no fighting included. You also couldn't kill generals or majors or any other high commanders. I think that these rules might help us in the world to day. No more Nuclear bombs and other WMD and so on.

I think that there will be a huge improvement when Barack Obama or Hilliary Clinton or even Rudy Giuliani. Well lets hope that George Bush will pull the troops out of Iraq. Lets just hope for peace.

I'm kinda scared that when we grow up and become adults in year say 2030 or whatever that there will be huge wars going on that could potentially destroy the whole world and so on.

Usagi's picture

The problem

The problem with following rules is that NOT obeying them is a good advantage--and if they other people don't. you're at a disadvantage. In that way it's the difference between the good of the country and the good of the people...or rather, the good of the government and that of the people. The best tactical maneuvers are so infrequently the best for humanity.

As for being scared that in the year 2030 there'll be huge world-destroying wars--be very scared. 'Cause you know what? They're already here.

Frosh-Soccer's picture

nice

i like it that's good, i agree but i have to say i rules might be better

Usagi's picture

That's exactly it

They're better and should be obeyed, but world leaders don't because of the tactical advantages.

g2g sqeeejay

Talk to ya later. remember........VOTE FOR BABBIT!
Peace,
Mango

squeejay's picture

What i think...

sometimes i feel that people too quickly jump on the bandwagon against war. I am totally against war myself, but i recognize the need for it. the world is home to too many really evil people, who gain power. When these people try to extend their power over people who don't want it, what then. If someone is threatening to overthrow your government, is it okay to just let them have what they want? no... what war is, a lot of the time... is people taking the bravery to stand up for what they believe in. Certain conflicts in the world today i think are a big waste of time, but war in general is because people are willing to give their lives to stand up for what they believe in. Unfortunately, it has some very bad consequences.
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Usagi's picture

War solves

War is sometimes the best way to solve a conflict, like the US gaining freedom from England. But then people think it solves ALL problems. I completely agree that people can give thier lives for what they believe in--but they shouldn't have to give up their lives for what their government believes in.

Aryka Petelle's picture

You are both psycos

I was thinking of how I was going to try to sound mature about this, but it failed in my mind.
Are you two nuts? I understand the whole bandwagoning against the war, but other than that I cannot comprehend why you would think that war is exactly the best way to solve a conflict between peoples.
Human beings should not be allowed to solve conflicts between each other using their politicians. Dolphins are in the ocean right now and laughing at the human race because of our incompatence to resolve through killing mass amounts of each otehr over a "territory" and "possession". If aliens came to earth, they would cry because we're so barbaric and can't rise above the fact that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all THE SAME RELIGION!!!

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein

Usagi's picture

"Nuts"

A human life is more precious than any plot of land, but so many people fail to realize that. Or they believe THEIR life is precious, but not other people's. We have so many surface reasons for war: religion, land, patriotism; but in truth it's because somewhere, some quality we hadn't lost as we evolved is going "fight, fight, fight for your life." It's a survival instinct, but people turn that, that urge into something else, something destructive, something killing. It's ironic that an instinct that's there to keep the person from dying is causing death.

It seems we turn to war to solve conflicts because nobody's thought of a better way.

squeejay's picture

I like to use the Korean war....

I like to use the Korean war as an example...

if you look at it... almost all North Koreans believed they were doing the right thing by trying to re-unite a country that was supposed to be together. People often leap to quick to the assumption that North Koreans were power hungry violent bullies, but look at the facts. Korea was one country that got mixed up in World War 2. During the Cold War, Russia and the United States both took it on themselves to divide the country and keep it divided. Yes, Capitolist America is just as much to blame as Commie Russia. The North Koreans wanted to reunite their country. I agree, Korea should never have been separated. However, because Korea now had two different leaders... the North Koreans liked their government, and the South Koreans liked theirs. The North Koreans were trying to reunite the country, just like the Union tried to keep the United States whole. It is because both Korean nations wanted something totally different that they went to war. Nothing could have changed without war, unless you count bikkering back and forth. Without the war... you would still have two nations that completely hate each other... now they don't hate each other even though they aren't best friends.
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